How much do you really give up by not running 200tw tires?

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Apr 9, 2026 | BMW, BMW 435i

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Scope creep is a hell of a drug.

When the 200tw tire “revolution” first hit more than two decades ago, the idea was for sanctioning bodies, which were seeing an increasing number of street-driven cars compete in autocross and track time trial competition, to move to a tire model where true street tires–ones that could be driven on track, to and …

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J.A. Ackley
J.A. Ackley Senior Editor
4/9/26 11:38 a.m.

I went with ECS 02s for my F-type. It's a multipurpose car, so it needs a multipurpose tire - and I've been happy. The tire isn't the limitation right now for competitions - it's the driver. laugh

theruleslawyer
theruleslawyer Dork
4/9/26 11:48 a.m.

In my experience the 200's you generally can lean on as hard as you want. All the 300's I've taken to track feel like they need to be managed, especially in the afternoon sessions as temps peak and the carcass is already hot. OTOH a lot of 200's are downright scary in rain. My p1's did not like standing water one bit. I'd not look at the time trade off as much as the driver confidence trade off myself.

bumpsteer
bumpsteer Reader
4/9/26 11:53 a.m.

Hopefully I find a similar conclusion going from 200TW to the Advan V601s I just ordered in the interest of balancing fun with consumable cost. 200TWs in a 275/35r19 are just absurdly expensive now for casual track days, not chasing outright lap times.

dallasreed
dallasreed New Reader
4/9/26 12:00 p.m.

Cool data, and the results are not exactly surprising, best lap ever on Vitour is par for the course really. 

As for your comment about the pricing gap, I would just say stay tuned. That observation may not age very well. 🤐

https://vitourp1.com

Tom1200
Tom1200 UltimaDork
4/9/26 12:15 p.m.

I went with the RT615Ks on the Mustang because it gets street driven quite a bit, they were budget friendly and they were cheap.

After reading this it sounds like we could have used something like the Continentals. 

Dusterbd13
Dusterbd13 MegaDork
4/9/26 12:15 p.m.

Wonder how this trabslates to autocross, where theres much less time to build heat?

JG Pasterjak
JG Pasterjak Tech Editor & Production Manager
4/9/26 12:17 p.m.
dallasreed said:

As for your comment about the pricing gap, I would just say stay tuned. That observation may not age very well. 🤐

https://vitourp1.com

Oooooh. I'm intrigued.

I love it when I get to be corrected about stuff in fun ways :)

 

MikeBarnett
MikeBarnett GRM+ Memberand New Reader
4/9/26 1:22 p.m.

I'm autocrossing my 2008 Solstice GXP (260hp, 2900lb) on Conti ECS 02's, and I've gotta say, for a casual yet competively-minded driver, running a stock vehicle, they're great.  And for those who have driven the first generation ECS, the 02's are quite an improvement, especially regarding turn in and overall feedback.  The second or two I might have gained with a 200TW tire would be nice, but my 250 mile round trip to the course would be a lot less comfortable than on the ECS 02's.  I probably wouldn't have needed to replace the old ECS's for another year or so as they still have plenty of tread, but 4 track days at Sebring, in the summer, kinda cooked them.  I tested them with a durometer, and the old tires hit around 78, while the new ones averaged around 64.  Also, since the tread lasted so long on the first set, I did have the new ones shaved to half tread depth.

 

JG Pasterjak
JG Pasterjak Tech Editor & Production Manager
4/9/26 1:36 p.m.
Dusterbd13 said:

Wonder how this trabslates to autocross, where theres much less time to build heat?

The Contis felt better at ambient temps than the Vitours did. Honestly I can't really compare pace at ambient because I was just concentrating on getting heat into the Vitours and not trying to actually drive a lap.

The Vitours held heat exceptionally well, though. even on a cold day, on everything but the very first out lap of the morning at true ambient temps, they were the superior tire pace-wise. So on a cold morning your first run might be exciting, but provided you get some heat into the tire carcass and wheel, you should be fine from there. 

And the X version of the Vitour seems to have an even quicker warming period than the Ps we were using for this test.

ZOO (Forum Supporter)
ZOO (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand UltraDork
4/9/26 1:43 p.m.

The ECS 02 is my current favourite all around tire. I am interested to see how they hold up as I enter my second summer with them.  I don't do many full track days any more, but after about three hours of track use across two different venues they hardly look worn at all.

 

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